Re: lyman GPR alligator teeth for rifling

by Admin 23/12/21, 10:18 pm

EasternOregon .50cal GPR wrote:Well we are definitely on track now, I still haven't got a chance to get to the fabric store and get some pocket drill. I did get a chance to make up some more .015 pillow ticking patches made and lubed the with half husky 2 stroke oil "I didn't have any stihl oil" and half peanut oil. that made a big difference in loading. THANK YOU for the advice idaholewis on patch lube.

My first shot at at these target landed right in the middle of the stickers. I was aiming for the top sticker so I adjusted my sight up about 3" them shot the three shot group at the top sticker
.490 round ball
.015 pillow ticking
2stoke oil/peanut oil lube
over powder patch
80gn by VOLUME of swiss 1.5fg

the second group by the bottom sticker was
the same as the top group the only difference was that I used 80 gn by WEIGHT of swiss 1.5fg
that group measured 1 1/2" outside to outside and that was at 58 yards that is my best group out of this gun so far

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by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 27/12/21, 10:17 pm

another update on the lyman GPR. I got to shoot it out to 150 yards today. still no pocket drill yet but I wanted to see what the pillow ticking would do at longer range.
My load
80 gn by weight of swiss 1.5f
over powder patch
.015 pillow ticking I made with 1" punch
lubed with idaholewis suggested patch lube
.490 round ball that I cast from wheel weights, weighed to within 1 gn of each other

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it was alittle cold about *25f it took intell the end of December to get some real winter weather
I am super excited about how the barrel loads after being smoothed out and using the Lewis's recommended patch lube. VERY easy to load with the wooden ramrod on the gun this would make a good hunting combo. But look forward to playing with thicker/stronger patches maybe squeeze out some tighter groups with it. I also really injoying the fine cross hair lee shaver insert that I got for the globe sight. been my favorite so far

by Admin 28/12/21, 05:03 am

Looks great EasternOregon lyman GPR alligator teeth for rifling - Page 2 3355125947

a Patched Roundball at 150 Yards is Way out there

I just picked up another Yard of Drill Cloth from Joann’s Yesterday, same stuff i have been using, I took a picture of the label this time.
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Here is a link to it, this is my favorite Patch material, very durable Stuff.
https://www.joann.com/jo-ann-stores-unbleached-drill-fabric/683532.html

Compressed good in my Calipers this stuff measures .020 Thick
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by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 17/01/22, 07:33 am

I finally made it to Joan's and got some Drill cotton made some patches and shot a group at 150yards

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It loaded tight but it just didn't want to group confused

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 17/01/22, 07:50 am

I switched back to the .015 pillow ticking and shot this group right after

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The gun seems to constantly shoot 3 in groups at 150 with this load I have shot several different groups on several different occasions with no wind and the gun always shoots the same group.
I am wondering if I can gain any more by pouring another lapp and lapping with 660 grit paste

by Kurt 17/01/22, 12:29 pm

Looking at your groups at the beginning of your posts I was feeling better about the accuracy I was getting and then you went and ruined it for me.

I read you are using wheel weights, and while I have no anecdotal evidence to offer, I have read that soft lead is gripped by the cloth patch and provides stability. I don't know but something to try? The accuracy you have is very good in my estimation. How did your drill cotton patches look compared to the pillow ticking?
If I can find any, in these meager times, I am going to try a .495 ball in place of my cast .490s. I'm pretty sure a big problem I have is eyesight but shooting is more fun than Optometrists. Oh, and by the look of the ground around your target, I'm glad the wind was slight. Stay warm and good shooting!

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 17/01/22, 01:36 pm

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the barrel wasn't very nice to the patches
I have used pure lead ball on 2 different occasions and there was no differents between them and the ww balls. I weigh put the balls I cast so so all of the balls are with in 1 grain of each other

by Kurt 17/01/22, 04:03 pm

I'm thinking you are getting very good accuracy. Just for information, and I'm not saying there is value, but here are my patches. They are .020 and made from the cloth of old Docker Trousers. I use Bore butter as a lubricant.

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by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 17/01/22, 07:34 pm

well I am at a piont now were I now were I have found a load that is more than acceptable for hunting. My goal was to be able to shoot coyotes at 200 yards with this gun and with alittle trigger time I think I could do that now. But I can't leave things alone and I just kinda want to see how much accuracy I can get out of this gun. I just don't want to mess up a good thing

by Admin 18/01/22, 07:25 am

I can tell you something that happened to me that was really odd, Back when i first started shooting patched roundball i tried Harder Lead, it was 8 to 8.5 BHN (40-1 Alloy to be exact) My first 2 Shots would be Cutting eachother, or REALLY Tight together and the 3rd Shot would be 2-3 inches away??? This happened to me EVERYTIME, I finally tried Soft (PURE Lead) and that Odd phenomenon went away, From that point on I have used PURE Lead ONLY

Wheel Weight Lead is REALLY Hard stuff, it comes in at 12.5 to 14 BHN, Way to Hard for Muzzleloader

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 18/01/22, 08:33 am

That is interesting, I have noticed that happening. the comment from Kurt and talking about Wheelwright lead got me thinking about the times that I did try the pure lead round and didn't have any better luck. When I was shooting groups with the pure lead round balls I never checked the consistency of the store bought ball I never weighed them.
The other thing I think I over looked was that I never shot the pure lead balls with the 2 stroke/peanut oil patch lube. These are things I try. Also reading the info about Lee shaver cleaning customer guns with steel wool and polishing the barrel. He talked about the difference between cutting and polishing. I also read on the valve grinding compound that a used to lapp the barrel and it is 220 grit that is still pretty corse

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 18/01/22, 08:36 am

Kurt if you can't find ant .495 balls I have some I can send you a few to try out

by George_Kelley 18/01/22, 10:43 am

Wheel weight lead alloy should be saved for modern handgun bullets. I get really good results with Lee TL358-158SWC bullet lubed with liquid alox over a pet load of 2400 (.38 Special).

by Kurt 18/01/22, 03:36 pm

E.O.50 I'll do some looking around for them. Thanks for your very generous offer! I'm in PA so the shipping would be a bear.

by Jehir2386 19/01/22, 12:04 am

Idaholewis wrote:I can tell you something that happened to me that was really odd, Back when i first started shooting patched roundball i tried Harder Lead, it was 8 to 8.5 BHN (40-1 Alloy to be exact) My first 2 Shots would be Cutting eachother, or REALLY Tight together and the 3rd Shot would be 2-3 inches away??? This happened to me EVERYTIME, I finally tried Soft (PURE Lead) and that Odd phenomenon went away, From that point on I have used PURE Lead ONLY

Wheel Weight Lead is REALLY Hard stuff, it comes in at 12.5 to 14 BHN, Way to Hard for Muzzleloader

Idaholewis or anyone that might know. so there is two lead wheel weights, that I know of at least, the hammer on ones and the stick on ones. Do you happen to know what the lead content or hardness is of the stick on ones are? I know the hammer on ones are pretty hard I use them for molding fishing jigs and they seem to be good for that. Just curious about the stick on weights for muzzleloader though.

by Admin 19/01/22, 04:27 am

Jehir2386 wrote:
Idaholewis wrote:I can tell you something that happened to me that was really odd, Back when i first started shooting patched roundball i tried Harder Lead, it was 8 to 8.5 BHN (40-1 Alloy to be exact) My first 2 Shots would be Cutting eachother, or REALLY Tight together and the 3rd Shot would be 2-3 inches away??? This happened to me EVERYTIME, I finally tried Soft (PURE Lead) and that Odd phenomenon went away, From that point on I have used PURE Lead ONLY

Wheel Weight Lead is REALLY Hard stuff, it comes in at 12.5 to 14 BHN, Way to Hard for Muzzleloader

Idaholewis or anyone that might know. so there is two lead wheel weights, that I know of at least, the hammer on ones and the stick on ones. Do you happen to know what the lead content or hardness is of the stick on ones are? I know the hammer on ones are pretty hard I use them for molding fishing jigs and they seem to be good for that. Just curious about the stick on weights for muzzleloader though.

I have never tested just the Stick on style Wheel Weights, I have always went by my Cabin Tree Lead Hardness tester Chart, It says “New Wheel Weights” have a Hardness of 12.5 BHN, and “Aged Wheel Weights” have a Hardness of 14 BHN

For me personally Wheel Weights are not worth messing with, and are a Bad idea in Muzzleloaders. I buy all of my Pure Lead, and Alloys from BACO (Buffalo Arms Co.) They Carry Stamp Certified Lead and Alloys. I have tested numerous different Batches of Lead and Alloys from BACO with my Cabin Tree Lead Hardness Tester and it has always been SPOT ON lyman GPR alligator teeth for rifling - Page 2 3355125947

This is super important if you Take Accuracy as serious as i do, I can tell you from LOTS of Experience that if Lead Hardness varies from One pot of Lead to the Next Pot Accuracy WILL be Different as well, You need to Keep each Pot of Lead as Close to the last Pot as you Possibly can

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 20/01/22, 09:12 pm

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got I chance to shoot some pure lead today. Weighed the balls that I shoot everything was within .5 gn

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 20/01/22, 09:21 pm

it didn't like the .490 ball. it is a mystery to me as to why the ww .490 shoots 3" groups and the pure lead was 6". I was shooting at 150 yards

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I was bummed out about this was hoping that things would tighten up

by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 20/01/22, 09:43 pm

then a shot the .495 balls with the .015 patches and had some interesting results

almost exciting, almost I shot a three shot group checked the target and then I shot 2 more to make a 5 shot group

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first 3 shots had 2 almost touching and A fliers. I thought that maybe I goofed up loading or something so I shot 2 more times one more landed right in with the other 2 and another flier. The 3 shots together measures 1 1/2" not bad more 150 yards but then you got the fliers that "shoot" it all to hell lol

This was almost really impressive almost.

by Kurt 21/01/22, 12:16 am

I don't have a range to shoot 150 yards with black power. For some reason, my club doesn't allow it on the range with the centerfires? Possible the corrosiveness of it? I've been hunting pheasants all week but I don't hunt on weekends so I may go look for .495 balls and bourbon. Yes, I know "not to mix that hoo-hit John with guns" Wink

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by EasternOregon .50cal GPR 21/01/22, 06:32 am

I am very fortunate to live were I do for shooting. I can shoot out to 350 yards sitting in my yard. there is ALOT of blm ground around me that is desert and you can go out and set up targets and shoot all by yourself. You can shoot as far as you want in this country
I curious as to why they don't let black powder shoot with smokeless that is interesting

by George_Kelley 21/01/22, 09:43 am

Kurt wrote:I don't have a range to shoot 150 yards with black power. For some reason, my club doesn't allow it on the range with the centerfires? Possible the corrosiveness of it? I've been hunting pheasants all week but I don't hunt on weekends so I may go look for .495 balls and bourbon. Yes, I know "not to mix that hoo-hit John with guns" .

That the club don't allow it is likely because the old boys don't like the smoke drifting across their lane. That most ML rifle users are shooting at less than 100yds, alot of centerfire rifle users look down on muzzle loaders. They would be surprised if they saw one of Idaho Lewis's long range videos, a percentage would likely get angry because it goes against their prejudice.

by Kurt 21/01/22, 11:42 am

As a matter of fact, I was talking to a shooter that is into more precise centerfire riflery and I told him about Idaho Lewis's long-range stuff and I could see the skepticism on his face. Of course, I know a lot of shooting talk at ranges is BS but perhaps the guy will look up Idaho ?

It's 9 degrees here, having warmed up from -1 last night so I'm letting the pheasants to themselves today. I know I'm a wimp.

by Ivan Wagurak 21/01/22, 04:34 pm

Yes while stick on weights are definitely much softer than clip on (pound on) they still aren’t dead soft.

by 188mule 02/02/22, 04:08 pm

Idaholewis wrote:Looks great EasternOregon a Patched Roundball at 150 Yards is Way out there

I just picked up another Yard of Drill Cloth from Joann’s Yesterday, same stuff i have been using, I took a picture of the label this time.

Here is a link to it, this is my favorite Patch material, very durable Stuff.
https://www.joann.com/jo-ann-stores-unbleached-drill-fabric/683532.html

Compressed good in my Calipers this stuff measures .020 Thick

Heads up guys if you order this stuff online!!!

Ordered this exact drill fabric online at Joann fabrics and its .018. Will head to the store next time I'm in town with my calipers to make sure I get the .020 stuff.

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